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The QTV#4 Episode
« on: January 12, 2014, 09:44:27 AM »
Martin,

 Really liked the episode QTV#4 with the Fluke and FLIR comparison. I jumped into the thermal camera game when the I series was popular. I have an I7 which is really good, and you are correct in saying they have a 1,001 uses. I was a bit sad when Flir announced the E-Series only months after I purchased the I7, but that's the way technology moves. Over last fall, I pointed my FLIR at an open part of the sky in between clouds at night and was amazed and amused at the reading, it was 15 degrees while the ground temp was around 70. Not sure how accurate that was, but it was cool to see the difference between the open sky and the clouds. Another crazy result I found purely by accident was during an energy audit I lowered the camera, and it was pointed at the legs of a friend that was with me and wearing shorts, you could see the main arteries in his legs. Very cool. The sensitivity and ability to see very small changes in temp (I think about .1 degree) is what makes the FLIR superior.

I will say that anyone interested in getting into a thermal imager needs to spend a bit of time learning about science of thermal imagers. Emmisitivty is very important and knowing what it does and how if affects a thermal image camera or even an IR thermometer is very important. It is really easy to be fooled into thinking something is cold or colder when it is very hot, it just depends on the reflectivity of that object. They are quite a few great training videos on Youtube on the science of thermal imaging. If I can find them again, I'll post the links here.

Eric Haney
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Re: The QTV#4 Episode
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2014, 09:59:47 AM »
For those who have not watched the video the link is here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk4ofR9tX-Q

I took a regular IR thermometer and pointed it skywards on a cool dry winter night with no visible cloud, and saw it read -80C. A few nights later I tried again with cloud cover, and it was around 15C. Summertime I tried and with light cover ( and 30C weather) it was around 20C, point at the ground it was showing 50C just after sunset on ground exposed to full sun.

I did do a quick video where I showed how different it was emissivity wise with the IR thermometer on a heater block, with a different reading on the well oxidised aluminium block and the PTFE coat right next to it.

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Re: The QTV#4 Episode
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2014, 10:04:45 AM »

I took a regular IR thermometer and pointed it skywards on a cool dry winter night with no visible cloud, and saw it read -80C. A few nights later I tried again with cloud cover, and it was around 15C. Summertime I tried and with light cover ( and 30C weather) it was around 20C, point at the ground it was showing 50C just after sunset on ground exposed to full sun.

I did do a quick video where I showed how different it was emissivity wise with the IR thermometer on a heater block, with a different reading on the well oxidised aluminium block and the PTFE coat right next to it.

I would like to see that video if you can post the link. I have all kinds of ideas now to experiment with my thermal. One could write a book filled with uses, hmmm, not a bad idea!  ;D
Eric Haney
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Re: The QTV#4 Episode
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2014, 10:34:02 AM »
Here you go....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR6A8xXm3HM

Very short, shot with the camera on the phone.......

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Re: The QTV#4 Episode
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 11:10:07 AM »
Here you go....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR6A8xXm3HM

Very short, shot with the camera on the phone.......

Good example, in my opinion, E is the most common mistake people make. Sure, thermal cameras are easy to use but if the measurements matter, then E and other items must be taken into consideration.

Thanks SeanB.
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Re: The QTV#4 Episode
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 11:17:17 AM »
It has bitten me a few times already, but you do learn, and in many cases you are really just after a difference rather than absolute.

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Re: The QTV#4 Episode
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2014, 11:18:13 AM »
Martin,

 Really liked the episode QTV#4 with the Fluke and FLIR comparison. I jumped into the thermal camera game when the I series was popular. I have an I7 which is really good, and you are correct in saying they have a 1,001 uses. I was a bit sad when Flir announced the E-Series only months after I purchased the I7, but that's the way technology moves. Over last fall, I pointed my FLIR at an open part of the sky in between clouds at night and was amazed and amused at the reading, it was 15 degrees while the ground temp was around 70. Not sure how accurate that was, but it was cool to see the difference between the open sky and the clouds. Another crazy result I found purely by accident was during an energy audit I lowered the camera, and it was pointed at the legs of a friend that was with me and wearing shorts, you could see the main arteries in his legs. Very cool. The sensitivity and ability to see very small changes in temp (I think about .1 degree) is what makes the FLIR superior.

I will say that anyone interested in getting into a thermal imager needs to spend a bit of time learning about science of thermal imagers. Emmisitivty is very important and knowing what it does and how if affects a thermal image camera or even an IR thermometer is very important. It is really easy to be fooled into thinking something is cold or colder when it is very hot, it just depends on the reflectivity of that object. They are quite a few great training videos on Youtube on the science of thermal imaging. If I can find them again, I'll post the links here.
Hello Eric,

Thanks for your post. Trying to keep up with tech and get the best price is scary. I paid over $700 for my Fluke VT02....and it was only during the research for the video that I saw it has dropped to $450...shocking!
You make good points about understanding and learning to use a thermal  imager correctly...especially if decisions are going to be based off the readings. I've noted this in several videos too.

Cheers,
Martin.
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