Author Topic: T4D 94 - Or how to make a square peg from a round bit on the cheap.  (Read 5367 times)

SeanB

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Another Video from our transplanted Capetownian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUA9WUas-A

Demo of his attempts to make a square hole in a box on the cheap. A good thought on buying the XY table and mounting it on the wooden base, and it will do quite well for occasional use, but for more serious use I would recommend having a proper milling setup, this is for the odd one or two holes a quarter on the odd project you are doing for yourself. More than that either get it laser cut or CNC milled, or get a proper milling setup. Draw it up and give Chris a call along with some company.

From the comments a few things.

Use the clamps correctly, so that they hold the material down to the table. Incorrect clamping can at least destroy the box and at worst cause it or the tooling to shatter and injure you. Boxes are easy to replace, but I have had a very uncomfortable morning at the ophthalmic surgeon getting a metal speck removed from my eye. Not fun when you see him coming towards your wide open and numb eye with a needle, all the time being reassuring. Almost as bad was going to the doctor and having him do 4 stitches in my hand, cut by broken glass. Walked in and he was on duty, he told me I was a silly bugger and I had to agree with him. Good doctors that you can talk to and enjoy the experience are hard to find.

For plastic boxes a sacrificial piece of scrap wood cut to act as a force spreader to allow the clamping to be spread over a large area of the box so it does not slip is good. If it fills the box and you mill it as well it is no big loss.

Shop vac attached near the cutter to remove chips will be a good idea so you can easily follow the lines.

Remember the diameter of the cutter is actually important.Cut inside the lines. You can actually use 2 or more cutters if you want, the smaller one used to clean up the corners only, and the bigger one cutting the long lines.

Speed is needed, the faster the better on the smaller bits, and a cutting lube as well will help, even with plastics as it helps cool the cut so it does not string as much.

Drill press is dangerous, and not really meant for large axial loading, the bearings will wear out fast if you do this a lot. Thus when doing this have the work as near to the top of the press as possible, even if it means you only drill down the thickness of the material. This will lessen the wear on the spindle inside, which is not going to handle this well for long.

Keep your tools clean and lubricate them before and after use. They will last longer, even in a dry climate.

With the table take it apart and clean out the grit from it and apply a good lubricating oil, best cheap one is a synthetic car engine oil. They all will have grit in the moving parts from manufacture, unless you buy the top range where it has been hand adjusted and cleaned to a near mirror finish. Cheap will need work and cleaning from new. Adjust the slide padding to get it down to a smooth run on the entire length of the travel. If it binds at any point you need to polish the spot down to make it smooth.

Any other comments welcome below. Not I am not a machinist, but have seen some really good ones in operation, and know some really anal toolmakers. He can do amazing things with turning and machining various materials.

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Re: T4D 94 - Or how to make a square peg from a round bit on the cheap.
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 08:05:50 PM »
Well that was an interesting video

Note for Martin.
The drill pres was probably safe for plastics. But someone will have to try it on metals. Then the drill chuck will come out of its taper and go through body parts.

Might I suggjest go ahead and get MF-70 you already have the xy table

Or maybe a micro/mini mil
micro:https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4700&category=1387807683
mini different reseller:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Mini-Milling-Machine/G8689
http://www.harborfreight.com/two-speed-variable-bench-mill-drill-machine-44991.html
https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3900&category=1387807683


Also for cutting panels you can't beat a cnc router. A cnc router is the right tool for this type of work.
An example:http://www.probotix.com/FireBall_v90_cnc_router_kit/
« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 08:13:23 PM by kc9qvl »

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Re: T4D 94 - Or how to make a square peg from a round bit on the cheap.
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 06:44:37 PM »
 :o

Ditto for everything said above. Sorry Martin but I was absolutely shocked to see the completely hazardous and incorrect way you did almost everything in this video. I like your style but you really should do some consulting before jumping into trying to something so potentially dangerous, never mind trying to show others how to do it.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2014, 06:50:55 PM by LightAges »

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Re: T4D 94 - Or how to make a square peg from a round bit on the cheap.
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 11:39:49 PM »
Updated video about the comments on the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc2mPv_mYRo

Martin takes note of the issues raised in the first part, and discusses them. With the added request for crowd funding for another in need.

You know that he really wears his heart on his sleeve, and is quite forthright. I see he spent the $20 on the crossbar of the bench, hope it went to a good cause.

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Re: T4D 94 - Or how to make a square peg from a round bit on the cheap.
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2014, 04:32:30 AM »
Safety issues asides, that's been covered. The play in a drill spindle or milling machine quill is called run out. If you are going to use a drill press as a light duty mill it is a good idea to get a taper that has a draw bolt or a mill cutter holder  for it as tapers will tend to drop out with a side load. For cutting plastics you need to either get cutters with a sharper angle or regrind those cutters, standard cutters are ground for steel you need a higher rake angle for softer materials the softer the higher the angle for plastics you need a knife edge for best results.
For setting up the XY table you need to get a dial gauge, there really isn't any other way of getting the table accurately aligned, It is also better to mount the slides on the bottom of the drill press rather than the table and bring the whole drill head down the mount tube. The best solution is to get a proper mill/drill there are plenty of cheap ones on the market. 
All you need for the odd square hole in an alloy box is a copping or fret saw, the holes in you electronic load could be cut and finished in the time it takes to set up a milling machine.

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Re: T4D 94 - Or how to make a square peg from a round bit on the cheap.
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2014, 12:44:18 PM »
Actually, there is no need to align the X/Y table at all. It just needs to be placed somewhere under the spindle. What does need to be aligned is any vise or part that is placed on the table. But this point is moot. The whole setup is not to be repeated!

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Re: T4D 94 - Or how to make a square peg from a round bit on the cheap.
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 03:59:22 AM »
Actually, there is no need to align the X/Y table at all. It just needs to be placed somewhere under the spindle. What does need to be aligned is any vise or part that is placed on the table. But this point is moot. The whole setup is not to be repeated!
You are correct there it was what I was thinking of the alignment of the work piece.