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Jason

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1970s architecture ROM chip
« on: June 25, 2013, 05:54:37 PM »
Hi guys and gals,

I was looking through my bag of tricks today full of electronics goodies that I bought on ebay when I wanted to start out in electronics a number of years ago. I saw some interesting parts that i wanted to find out what they were which included triple input NAND chips, Quad AND chips, Octal D transparent latch with edge triggered flip flops. The most interesting part however is a ROM chip that I found where it is programmable and erasable. But not software erasable, the data sheet stated it is erased with a UV light where a full format takes about 20 minutes. The part is a 1024 word 8 bit ROM and it looks, in my eyes, "pornographic"  as Dave Jones would say. I have included some pictures and the link to the datasheet should anyone be interested to look at this beauty. The data sheet is says December 1979, revised 1982 so is the chip from that era or was it built later? Leave a comment below if you know more about the chip. 

Part number is: TMS 2708 JL - 45
Data sheet:       http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/125763/TI/TMS2708-45.html

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« Last Edit: June 25, 2013, 05:56:22 PM by Jason »
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Re: 1970s architecture ROM chip
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2013, 05:01:32 AM »
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The data sheet is says December 1979, revised 1982 so is the chip from that era or was it built later?

A lot of chips have a 4 digit date-code on them,  so in this case the "8114" is the 14th week of the year 1981;   If you have an older eprom programmer that accepts these you could read the data from it and see what's inside! If you program these, remember to cover the little window up with a sticker to stop it been messed about with in strong sunlight; but not much chance of that here in the UK though ;-)
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Re: 1970s architecture ROM chip
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2013, 12:06:19 PM »
You are not going to read that with most of the modern programmers, as you need the 12V and -5V supplies to actually get it to work. Drop one and it flat out will not be readable, drop the substrate bias and allow it to drift above 0V and the chip will cook itself. I used them on equipment made in the 1960's, and they were still working 40 years after manufacture with no problems.  I used to have a programmer that handled them, but it was an add on card for an Apple ][ clone.

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2013, 12:20:08 PM »
I love how the datasheet shows how to reprogram it. What would you use it for?  Perhaps on a circuit where you could put predetermined text on a screen if certain conditions are met? For example if a temperature sensor was broken and was linked to a 16x4 screen you could output Sensor 1 failure? Or is this chip used for something entirely different? I have a 0-30v supply but i haven't yet made my own fixed output supply so I should do that next so I can have access to a negative 5v supply.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2013, 02:19:58 PM »
It is a ROM array, you put in an address to it and it gives an 8 bit output. Mostly used for storing firmware for microcontrollers, and was often used in the early days of computing to perform complex logic, saving having to have 30 TTL chips to do things like change a code from one format to another ( ASCII to EBDIC or to substitute codes for a printer), or to store the initial bootloader so that you did not have to toggle it in via switches on startup, but would turn on the computer and it would automatically load a program in from tape or disk and run it.

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2013, 02:38:58 PM »
Thanks Sean, you have such a great wealth of knowledge.
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Re: 1970s architecture ROM chip
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2013, 03:02:08 PM »
You are not going to read that with most of the modern programmers, as you need the 12V and -5V supplies to actually get it to work.

Blimey I thought those were just older generic eproms;  they really are awkward beasts!    I was reading through the old "CB Eprom Data Handbook" pdf; which had this to say about them..
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The smallest Eprom currently available is the 2708. This is actually obsolete and has the disadvantage of requiring three different supply voltages: hence, it is never used for new designs.
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Re: 1970s architecture ROM chip
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2013, 04:02:05 PM »
I remember them well, not the easiest things to use, but they do have the advantage of being big enough to see each individual bit, and as well they will survive decades of use just because they have so big a stored charge, not like the modern devices that rely on a few dozen electrons, these store a massive charge per gate. 21.6V program pulse for 50mS per byte, nothing more and nothing less. no fast program option there.

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Re: 1970s architecture ROM chip
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2013, 05:37:27 PM »
I think I have an old eprom eraser around somewhere still.  It's about a foot long and three or four inches wide.  The drawer slides out one end to load it.  If I remember it has a knob/timer on the top that you set to turn it on and it shuts itself off.

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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2013, 05:53:31 PM »
I love this little thing. I mean chips will probably never be made like this again where you can look into it though a glass window. Nano electronics could never be as beautiful as this I think.
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