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SeanB

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QTV #10 - IR thermometer testing.
« on: October 22, 2014, 04:22:28 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RODdSqKzwCU

Martin looks at the collection of thermometers and temperature probes he has in the lab, and looks at the difficulty of measuring temperature both accurately and reliably. Using assorted multimeters with temperature measuring ability and assorted IR measuring ranging from cheap to quite expensive. He explores the limitations of each one, and especially the field of view of each, and how that translates in practise to what is displayed as a temperature.

He uses the closest he has to an isothermal chamber, using a temperature controlled chamber to emulate a black body radiator, using contact measuring to do sanity checking on the chamber sensors.

You can see the various offsets, along with the differences between each method in both accuracy, stability and how attachment and aim has an influence.

Tip for next time is get some thick copper plate that fits in the bottom of the chamber and blacken it using a candle, which will give a surface that has an emissivity of 0.99. Ideal black body radiators are a pure copper ( or better silver) block with a surface consisting of sintered Platinum black fused to the surface, which makes a good black body from cryogenic temperatures to the melting point of copper. Use pure Pt and it works up to the melting point of Pt as well.

Ideally you want a chamber that is black inside ( Pt black, soot or thin matt black spray paint) with well insulated walls and heating evenly inside, with only a small hole for radiation to escape used as the view port.

As well there is a definite need for a calibrated thermometer for checking, or a triple point cell to get a good -0.1c reference. A heated stirrer plate and a beaker with water containing Indian ink ( basically powdered carbon in suspension) will help in both checking at higher temperature, up to 90C in this case, as Martin lives now at altitude, where water boils at under 100C.

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Re: QTV #10 - IR thermometer testing.
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2014, 03:29:01 AM »
I'm wondering if you could use something like this cheap electric hotplate as an IR thermometer calibration device.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/121455826499?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108

Maybe bodge on a temperature/power controller. It would have the advantage of being cheap to construct.

I need to do some research :-/

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Re: QTV #10 - IR thermometer testing.
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2014, 11:33:40 AM »
The problem with those is that the element inside will be a spiral, and generally the spiral is in a thin casting so you will have very uneven heat distribution. You might be able to use it if you use only the element and insulate the rear well with glass wool, and have a thick aluminium disk which is thermally bonded to the actual front with some thermal epoxy or a large thermpad.

the big issue is with needing a heating source that has a very even surface energy density, so that all of the surface squares will have a similar heat input per unit area. About the best is a cylinder with a resistove element wound on the outside, and insulated well at the side and at the closed end. This will have an inner volume in the middle that will be close to isothermal provided you do not have draughts or convection bringing in outside air. That is why most temperature calibrations are done using a heated plate stirrer with an insulated metal container so that the bottom is heated, and the stirrer inside distributes the working fluid, typically water or mineral or silicone oil, so the fluid is isothermal with the sensor under test inside, along with your reference sensor, and with the insulated lid on.

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Re: QTV #10 - IR thermometer testing.
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2014, 09:06:47 AM »
Yeah. I was thinking along similar lines. Basically using just the element bonded to a 1 cm thick plate of black anodised Aluminium to 'even' out the heat distribution and give it some thermal inertia (if that's the correct term).

Maybe I'll give it a go :-)

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Re: QTV #10 - IR thermometer testing.
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2014, 09:49:15 AM »
I'm planning on purchasing one of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/infrared-thermometer-with-laser-targeting-n92fx

Only £20 so it's not exactly going to break the bank, and if its a piece of junk, maybe I can tweak it.

So I need a variable heat source of some sort so I can have a play  :)

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Re: QTV #10 - IR thermometer testing.
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2014, 10:55:46 AM »
Not the worst you can get, just remember the basic accuracy is 2.5C either way. Not going to work as a thermometer to see if you are sick, but good enough to see if something is hot, cold or if there is a cold spot on a wall. Just remember that the laser is not coincident with the actual sensor view, it tends to be a little offset, as they set the laser parallel to the sensor, so you should keep that in mind when aiming. It does help though to see the rough area it is measuring though, plus if you have a cat you can see the rise in temperature of the cat as it tries to catch the red dot.

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Re: QTV #10 - IR thermometer testing.
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2014, 07:40:10 PM »
Right now the Fluke VT-04 (not the VT-02 - the 04!) is available on Amazon.com for $467.45 AND you get a $100 Amazon gift card with your purchase. Assuming you can eventually spend $100 on Amazon (and who can't) that's a final price of $367.45! And it still comes in the nice hard case at that price.
I think these were $1,000 less than a year ago, then they dropped to $650... I may have found my Christmas present.
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